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ok so most know im cruising back into the trance scene again. BUT, for me to do that i need to rejuvenate my trance collection. hope to have a few mixes ready for upload wenever i get the chance sooo...
im after artists more so then songs. just to get an idea. had a look at whats around and most of it is fairly average compared to the old trance days. but anyways 
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If you mean Artists as in tracks mate...
Tune of the moment for me is Ben Gold Ft. Senadee - Say The Words (Aly & Fila Mix) 
Aly & Fila
Sean Tyas
Gleave - Lights Out (2008 Mix)
Dj Shah/Sunlounger (More you summer sounding Trance with big breaks and guitars etc)
Armin Van Buuren
Daniel Kandi
Signal Runners
A LOT of great vintage sounding Trance coming out on Flux Delux,one of my favourite labels at the moment 
Paul Miller & Manuel Le Saux - enTrance (Official enTrance Anthem 2008) On Flux Delux
Dave 202
Airbase
John O'Callaghan
Luminary - Amsterdam(Super8 & Tab Mix) Get this baby if you can mate,its just be given the full release in a double pack 
Dash Berlin - Till The Sky Falls Down(B side has the dub instrumental and the A side has the vocal version)
For a commecial spin ive been mixing a few older Kenny Hayes tunes like the D:Code - Out Of My Hands tune and an amazing tune called Cruisin that he done a mix of, might we worth a look mate
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yeh thanks TL
deffinently looking around the vintage sort of trance. back in the adagio days and when shivers was around. even earlier still i guess so ill deffinently look into that label
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Aye mate Flux Delux seems to have their heads screwed on, definetly sounding like they are from a few years ago which is a plus
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yeh awesome. i was browsing around the online record shop in aus and theres absolute shyte around! it sounds like the progressive sound is becoming popular and i think thats wrong lol
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Progressive is terrible, Trance is all about big euphoric breats not crap that just sounds the same all the way through.A lot of the big names in Trance are using the progressive sound 
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I agree, the tunes should be banging. I like annjunabeats, most everything on this label is virtualy garanteed to hit the spot with some awsome remixes by Above & Beyond. I also like the 'discover' label. They, like many after Factory Records, count each release & feature the number on the label. The earlyest Ive got is numer 16, cant help wondering what number one is though... my fav trance tunes are P.U.M.A & Everlast, they have been for some time now. The greatest oldey has to be C'est Music, it gets me all emotional every time 
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| I also like the 'discover' label |
Yeah the normal white Discover label has a lot of crackers on it , the Discover Dark has a lot of terrible stuff on it though 
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| TigerLand wrote: |
| Progressive is terrible, Trance is all about big euphoric breats not crap that just sounds the same all the way through.A lot of the big names in Trance are using the progressive sound |
 Nah, Progressive Trance is very good and much more creative than the big euphoric beats. I enjoy the huge Anthem/Epic tracks like on Anjunabeats but it gets slightly sickening after a while.....its far too "rich" if that makes any sense :-s
Sasha''s Expander is one of the greatest trance tracks ever and thats progressive....nothing on Anjunabeats would make a top 10 trance lists.... and what about "Classic Trance"??? Age of Love by The Age Of Love is the track that founded the trance genre... without that there would have been no euphoric beats and that was very progressive IN STYLE i.e. layers slowly building on each other.
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| adam t wrote: |
| TigerLand wrote: |
| Progressive is terrible, Trance is all about big euphoric breats not crap that just sounds the same all the way through.A lot of the big names in Trance are using the progressive sound |
Nah, Progressive Trance is very good and much more creative than the big euphoric beats. I enjoy the huge Anthem/Epic tracks like on Anjunabeats but it gets slightly sickening after a while.....its far too "rich" if that makes any sense :-s
Sasha''s Expander is one of the greatest trance tracks ever and thats progressive....nothing on Anjunabeats would make a top 10 trance lists.... and what about "Classic Trance"??? Age of Love by The Age Of Love is the track that founded the trance genre... without that there would have been no euphoric beats and that was very progressive IN STYLE i.e. layers slowly building on each other. |
mmm the age of love is a good track i must say… a classic. but modern day progressive has just taken the trance out of trance. its real electro now so i guess we may see some electro house djs make the switch to prog trance??
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Ah ok, fair enough...i see what you are saying. Well, i didnt like it either untill just recently when all this electro stuff started growing on me. I think its so popular as it is the way to establish yourself as a DJ/Producer as being creative and "leading the way". Other sounds have been used already for progressive trance so they are now using this new electro sounding trance to move the genre forewards into new territory.
Also, in terms of the Euphoric trance....there is no more room/very little room for advancement in this style as all the sounds and structures and ways to make it have been used.
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| adam t wrote: |
Also, in terms of the Euphoric trance....there is no more room/very little room for advancement in this style as all the sounds and structures and ways to make it have been used. |
I wouldnt agree with that one mate, Euphonic,Mystery Islands,A State Of Trance and Armins others labels for example have been constantly releasing great quality to this day in Club and Euphoric Trance.Even the great Flux Delux that has come into its own over the past year are releasing great new stuff and totaly original.
I think the Euphoric sound is getting better and deeper these days, but Progressive really is terrible in my opinion...just doesnt go anywhere. Now dont get me wrong i'll throw in 1 or 2 to kick the mix up a level before i bring in the heavy hitters like Aly & Fila,Sean Tyas etc but Progressive in my opinion really does kill a Trance mix but to each his or her own
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Prehaps that was a bit harsh....there is some advancemant but im going to stick by this: A lot of newer trance is derivative of older tracks in some way or another.
e.g. Paul Van Dyk & Guiseppe Ottiavani's "Far Away" has elements taken straight from PVD's earlier track "Nothing But You"....then the hard lead element and acid sounding element of "Far Away" is exactly the same in "Totality" by Paul Trainer. Further more, you can hardly call it progress/new thinking that now 10 years on that trance hit it big artists are still using the breakdown Anthem Trance formula that made it popualr in the 1st place!
Dont get me wrong....i do still like lots of what is produced in this style its just i kinda appreciate it comes with flaws.
In the case of progressive i think both of us are looking at it from different angles and also what we mean by "progressive" as its such a musical elitism word! Correct me if im wrong here but....
You see progressive as rubbish for a club environment
I see progressive as an excelent piece of music.
I agree that progressive requires a certain amount of listener patients (it does go somewhere) but the build up is all done very subtley adding more layers ontop of each other before there is a short breakdown and everything comes rushing back....most people cant be bothered to wait for the climax of the track. I know its used in warm up sets by DJ's but i agree that you would kill your set if you mixed Aly & Fila into Progressive becasue its such a change of pace....both work just not together.
So basiclaly Progressive does work in the right contex in a mix but the way i look at it as a piece of music, it completely outshines Epic/Anthem Trance. I understand its not everyones cup of tea but if you do have the patients it pays off big time!
Now....what exactly is Progressive Trance?
Originally it was basically anything produced between 1996-1997 i.e the stepping stone from old skool classic and acid trance to 98/99 Anthem/Epic trance. That gave you tracks like Flaming June (BT) Dreams Universe (CM) and Gamemaster (Lost Tribe) and Netherworld (L.S.G) being progressive....but im sure you would agree they sound nothing like the style we have been talking about and you could easily put them into a mix.
Then you have tracks like Xpander by Sasha which take progressive trance into the complicated layer building Progressive but still in a trancy way.
Then you have the musical rebell against sell out epic/anthem trance in 2000 and get tracks like Area 99 (Meridian) 1-800 Ming (Brother Loves Dub) and Subraumstimulation (Oliver Lieb) making "harder" Progressive Trance so as to set themselves apart form the cutesy, sweet, poppy, top 40 epic trance devouring everyone up.
Finally we have the electro & hard sound of Progressive that you hate so much!
Basically what im saying is that not all progressive trance is like the newer stuff and in terms of a piece of music progressive is much better and creative than Epic trance.
God i keened that out! Had all the CD's out checking what i was writing and the tracks i was putting down!
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Lost Tribe - Gamesmaster Progressive?  I wouldnt have called that classic of a tune Progressive
You clearly know what your talking about but as youv said yourself there's no way you can call the Progressive sound today anything like what you call Progressive from past years. With me i can go from the most euphoric Trance to the hardest Hardstyle and enjoy it for what it is but Progressive just doesnt go anywhere.I could easily listen to Gabba and enjoy it more than Progressive because to me Gabba has character,Progressive to me is just bland 
I'm not saying anyone that listens to Progressive has bad taste, i mix in the odd Ultrabeat tune into my Trance mixes so i cant talk bad about anyone lol but to me Progressive is boring and a lot of people feel the same.
For me talking about classics as this style or that style doesnt mean anything to me because they are classics and thats that for me,they have a feeling about them and from a certain time but comparing those older Trance tunes to this sound of Progressive doing the rounds is a non starter for me.I cant remember back to any Trance tune that sounds as bad as this Progressive of today and ive listened to a lot of 90's mixes from the likes of Tiesto,Mind X,PVD etc ...i honestly cant think of a time before now in Trance with such a bad sounding style as Progressive.
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Progressive from the past yrs still had a sence of Euphoric Trance still to it where as Progressive trance today is more electro.
There are still belters of Euphoric Trance tracks coming out and i agree with TL on that one.
and adam t, thanks alot for your input here. your knowledge has really amazed me man! i've leart stuff i probly never wouldve.
deffinently tho, old school progressive trance, doesnt sound anywhere near what it is today. The Age Of Love is a perfect example. 
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and adam t, thanks alot for your input here. your knowledge has really amazed me man! i've leart stuff i probly never wouldve. |
Have to agree with that adam, you know your stuff and definetly gave me info i never knew
Do you dj yourself, any mixes we can have a listen to?
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BalistiK: Thanks for the compliment! Its one of the advantages of not being old enough to go experience this music in a club....i do a lot of searching on the net about trance. Deffinately that Progressive trance has evolved....Age of Love is actually "Classic Trance" i just used it as an example for the structure of Progressive becasue everyone knows that song. I probably didnt make it clear in my earlier post
TigerLand: That is what i meant about progressive...is very confused as it is used too often by people trying to set themselved apart from what is popular. I wouldnt have instantly called Gamemaster Progressive Trance but it is becasue it was made in 1997 which made it by default Progressive as it was progressiing form old skool to '98/'99 trance. Its actually a good example....its has that acid sample (from Dreams by Quench) acid being the major element to older trance but then it has the Anthem breakdown more common of the '98/99 trance and beyond.
Just a quick question.....you dont mean Minimal/Neo Trance do you when you say progressive??? I like Minimal/Neo but i can see why lots wouldnt like it at all and i can see how that could be seen to be bland.
e.g. Over The Ice by The Field
Coma by Sasha
Ihre Persönliche Glücksmelodie by Gabriel Ananda
Who Killed Sparky? by Sasha
Ah, i just seen your newer post TigerLand.....also thanks to you for the compliment. Nope i dont DJ or anything....i wouldnt mind giving it a chance but i woudlnt know where to get started.....im thinking about getting FruityLoops to try and make a bit of EDM. Do you know if thats a good program??? I ahve the demo thats seems good.
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