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Urban Soundz
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I remember when it was cool and everyone thought it was brilliant using 2 records with one of them being an acapella and you fought like mad to keep the acapella in for a few minutes,now people just want to add those 2 the once and make it an MP3 
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surely that's no real difference from the mash ups that are available on vinyl, there have been some pretty well known ones over the years like "Tocha Me"
(I think that's what it's called) it was around about a few years ago and even more recent "the egg" thing, I've got the accapella on the flip of another david guettara tune that was out a couple of years previous.
and if you want to do it yourself, there are little vinyl cutting macines available for about a grand, you could be messing around on the decks at home, come up with a storming mix and cut it to vinyl ready to take with you to a club that night.
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Aye its the same thing but people want to do the mash up then put it onto MP3 or plate where as back in the day you just used the acapella seperate all the time just using skill not having the mashup recorded.
I seen one of those plate machines in DJMag, brilliant looking and would save a LOT of money
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djschampo
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| Posted: Thu, 10 Jan, 2008 18:24 Post subject: You know, this is a very complicated question. |
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Let me just start by saying that a dj is not someone that just mixes songs back and forth between two turn tables or cdj's. A dj is someone that know's his/her music as well as he/she knows the back of their hand. This art is complex and not just something that you just do. No matter who you are and how talented of an ear you have, there are way more elements to it than just turntable's or cdj's. Whichever medium you are playing on at any given time, your control of the individual elements of the sound of the music you are playing is what is really important to pay attention. Lets face it. Every scenario you play in will be different from venue to venue, party to party. I have been spinning for 3 years now and I am just now able to truly define this. The rest of the time before this I have been mastering the feel and different elements of not just one medium, but many. To me, it is extremely important to not get caught up in the symantics of it and stay true to the art.
I personally play on turn tables using a module called traktor scratch as a medium to play my mp3's. I like the feel of vinyl better, but I often play on cdj's when I play out. I feel that as a dj, you should play a lot on all types of media so that it becomes second nature to you. Once that happens, you won't have the frustration of not knowing the equipment.
The other necessary element is to know the structure of music in general and how it is controlled by the mixer. For instance, playing progressive house is very intricate in it's elements. The beauty of a great dj is the subtlety in which he/she mixes the music together. Knowing when the drops are, and when to bring in or take out bass, mid, or treble to emphasize the music and maximize it's effect. I know that in most cases, you are mixing whole tracks whether vinyl or digital, but each track is made up of many sublayers that can combine with the same from the other track to create different effects. The greats can do this flawlessly and you can hardly hear it. It just sounds like another progression through the same continuous song. It hits you without you even knowing it or anticipating it. I could go on about this all day, but the subject at hand is vinyl or cdj's right?
Yes but different situations call for versatility in today's dj. There is no escaping it unless your Jon Digweed or someone massive and you can ask for whatever you like best in your contract. Most of us aren't on that level though despite aspiring to be.
The last thing that I will say is that vinyl has another element to it that digital can't have. Alpha and beta waves. The way that vinyl is cut causes it to emit waves that you cannot hear, but that evoke a certain change in the human body when experienced. Alpha waves cause a relaxation and beta waves cause a heightened alertness in most people. That is why, in addition to the experience of the music, the vinyl can command a crowd in a certain almost trancelike way. I have heard that modern producers have embedded these alpha waves and beta waves that are naturally created by vinyl, but I am unaware of how this is done.
Lets all just play music and respect the art for what it is. The complexities of the different variations out there present the modern dj with a challenge that was previously absent. The challenge to become even better than you could possibly without these differences in circumstances. Will you live up to the challenge, that is for you to decide. Just remember that the most important element is the enjoyment and involvement of your listeners, no matter the medium, venue, equipment or lack there of.
Stay up and get down.
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Aye its the same thing but people want to do the mash up then put it onto MP3 or plate where as back in the day you just used the acapella seperate all the time just using skill not having the mashup recorded.
I seen one of those plate machines in DJMag, brilliant looking and would save a LOT of money |
This is one of the things I love the most about today's technology. I can take a track, loop a certain part of it, and us it as a tool to emphasize and change the structure of the track I'm playing. I don't however, think that you should program your set at all. You should just know your music well enough to be able to use it like an instrument. It's amazing what you can do. It takes a lot of focus and practice because with a timecoded vinyl and a medium like traktor scratch, you still have to ride the beat for a long time, but if you do it right. It has taken me a long time to master it, but the result is something that you couldn't acheive with conventional vinyl. I encourage anyone who can to try these tools.(serato, traktor scratch, deckadance, etc.)
The misconception is that it makes it easier. Not at all ladies and gentleman. We all know, like being in the tooth brush isle at the grocery store, that more options means more choice which can sometimes lead to a complete lack of direction and focus. If anything, there is a new level of challenge that could never have even been fathomed before. I love it, but when it rains it poors.
This goes back to the last post I made. The only solution is to season yourself on everything you can, and remember....Fundamentals are always your foundation. Like I said. The greats can do things you never thought of and make it sound like nothing has happened but what naturally was going to happen anyway.
God I love this art.
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Urban Soundz
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| Posted: Sat, 12 Jan, 2008 11:06 Post subject: |
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| I don't however, think that you should program your set at all. You should just know your music well enough to be able to use it like an instrument. It's amazing what you can do |
Very True!
I'm only in this because I love music, I like to think it's about taking people on a unique Journey, a once in a lifetime experiance never to be repeated, no two sets should be the same, the job of the dj is to get people on to the dance floor by expressing your musical expertise upon them, you need to work the right tunes at the right time. Although I can mix two tracks together I've always believed it's the selection that has the higest priority.
Don't get me wrong I'm in awe of technical advancements and I do fiddle from time to time, I'm not resistant to change, but in my case I'm knocking on a bit and Playing out has become less and less over the last few years, so I pretty much play for my own entertainment.
I think one of the reasons I prefer Vinyl is you can see the breaks in a tune by the change in the groove pattern, as opposed to CD you just see numbers
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Personally I prefer mixing Vinyl due to the unpredictability of fucking up the mix.. you feel more like a Dj on vinyl.. but I also like the fact of hearing new songs just finished mixed into another track.. and with Cd's you can create your own songs and add in quirky little effects in..
I mix on both and Digital is definatly the future.. but I know dj's wont bin vinyl totally.
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i agree. i mix with both and i do feel in a way that cds will eventually become the main thing because of the versatility that comes with it. you will never get the same feel tho with a cd. Numark tried to come up with a magic cd/turntable releasing the CDX and the Hybrid (which plays both CD and Vinyl) and even tho on the CD you have the 12" platter and the realistics of a turntable, its still not quite there. the Hybrid was a great idea in my oppinion. i was planning on investing in a pair myself but even tho it plays vinyl, when it comes to CD's its the same thing. heaps better feel then the CDX's thats for sure
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| Posted: Sat, 19 Jan, 2008 9:29 Post subject: Opinion on Vinyl vrs CD's |
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oKAY. . first off I can't say that I can even begin to comprehend the complex art of spinning vinyl. . . let along understand the digital world of mp3/cd/etc. . but as a HouSe daNceR I know nothin' beats HeaRin the snap and crackle of a record freshly picked from the overfilling unKNowNs of the dj CRateS. . .. Watchin' a dj pick eXactLy the Right miX to keep my souL viBe-in. . and my step jazziN. . is for me at the very least. . a veRy peRsoNNaL experience thru MUSiC. I don't understand this whoLe "get with the FlOw biz and times are CHaNgin'" stuff. Cuz as a sax muSician myself. . couldn't imagine being replace by some automAtiC-CUE-button-->pReViousLy-programed.
~I count each beat. . each measure. . prepare mentally. . as I taKe a quiCk breath to bring in my sound ON MY OWN CREATED cue~
As far as people wanting MORE? I ALWAYS thought it was about the music. . what is it? want some laZer shoWs or something?
Well star trek. . . my heart is taken by the cReative magic----->STRICTLY<------ on the oNes and tWos.
~just my thoughts.
a side note->>ever heard a dj skip a cd LIKE that "beat-up-cd-at-that-ONE-spot"--mix, you have lyin' around at HOME? sad. . ... . ..
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| With CD's you can play a track that was released like 10 minutes ago, where as with Vinyl you have to wait for the tune to be cut etc. What this means to a pro dj is the reason why cd's are taking over. |
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not read the whole thread as its massive! CDs all the way though.
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Big fan of using vinyl but theres so much stuff these days that you just cannot buy on vinyl as its only seeing a mp3/cd release. I use both vinyl and cds when mixing but if i had to choose one or the other id choose CDs, not for perferability but the fact it's supporting more releases than vinyl
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| CD's - can carry more, they don't scratch as easily, can burn ya own |
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| alot of people will say that the difference between the two is technology. imo i prefer to mix to vinly, however i want to play a tune not on vinly then i would consider using CD. im not being romantic, but it takes away from the feel off mixing if you use cds. vinly culture is based around testing music through dubplates. this where the whole culture has moved towards. imagine not having all the white lables. you lose all the connection with the scene. you could say the same about cds but vinly has a emtional and pshyical connection with the dj. It is also alot harder for people to steal music of vinly than cd. i could go on forever but i wont. |
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Exactly mate 
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I use both and it's hard to say which I prefer.
I used to think vinyl, vinyl, vinyl - well I never acutally thought that cos thats weird but you know what i mean.
But cdj's have their advantages (quick cue, loop etc) and no matter what anyone says on here - the bpm counters are useful.
I can mix with vinyl so does looking at the bpm counter on a cdj make me a fake - kiss my balls... lol
And the other thing I love to do is make re-edits of songs - longer intro / outro etc. especially with some old skool tracks that are near impossible to mix otherwise.
And the only way I can mix these is by burning them to cd.
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this has become such a classic debate now with opinionated parties for vinyl, for cd, and for both… i have now come to the point that if the tunes come out and people dance then so be it… vinyl or CD… BUT im still solidly against Virtual DJ lol
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Hiya my names Nicky H and i love a man in uniform so please line up and - kiss my balls... lol
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