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ok man this mite be better then what you stated.
Hard Trance originated in Germany in the early to mid 90's and is one of the earliest forms on Trance. It was one of the most common forms of Trance throughout the decade, characterized by strong kicks, with a very dry and heavy sound. Now it is much more rare compared to other forms of Trance and House music, but still has a close fanbase world wide. The Hard Trance sound varies from classic trance with its emphasis on harder, often acid sounds. The beat is very strong, and the lead synths or pads are simpler, but still retain their melodic, "trance-like" nature. The "hoover" sound, so named, due to its "vacuum-like" drone, (eg: Human Resources - Dominator) is used infrequently as of late, giving way to harsher lead melodies through synths or pads. Recently, a difference in production styles between the two stables of hard trance has developed, splitting the genre into what is commonly known as European hard trance, which can contain darker elements, and shares common production techniques with hardstyle such as the familiar off beat bassline and snappy snarerolls, which sets its roots in trance's heyday, with wide, epic synths and rolling, often "bubbling" basslines. Tempo varies from 140 to 145 beats per minute. Jones & Stephenson's track, "The First Rebirth" was one of the first hard trance tracks ever made, even though its bpm speed is actually that of hardcore music.
ask me anything about it man… hope this helps
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| umm yeh your Hard Trance description is a bit of a funny one… ill help ya out in a tic |
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Thanks man....much appreciated! I read trough it last night and it sounded rubbish....and Dream Trance needs a make over as well. I obviously wasnt in a very good writing frame of mind yesterday!
BTW...whats your opinion of Mixmeister DJ sofware??? Is it any good? Its just i have been having a look at the software suggested on the Trugroovez hmepage and Mixmeister is the cheapest. I d/loaded a free trial of Virtual DJ and althouhg it looks v.good im not sure i want to splash out £100+ incase im rubbish or cant do it 
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| umm yeh your Hard Trance description is a bit of a funny one… ill help ya out in a tic |
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Thanks man....much appreciated! I read trough it last night and it sounded rubbish....and Dream Trance needs a make over as well. I obviously wasnt in a very good writing frame of mind yesterday!
BTW...whats your opinion of Mixmeister DJ sofware??? Is it any good? Its just i have been having a look at the software suggested on the Trugroovez hmepage and Mixmeister is the cheapest. I d/loaded a free trial of Virtual DJ and althouhg it looks v.good im not sure i want to splash out £100+ incase im rubbish or cant do it |
yeh have a look at what i wrote about hard trance. that should be pritty good.
umm i used virtual dj and its good for very few things… havnt used mixmeister so not sure about it… ive tried to stay away from most VDJ programs. if your guna get into virtual mixing your probly better off looking into a controller first and then see the recomended program for it. some even come with mixing programs as part of the bundle.
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For An Angel, i heard that the other night for the first time in ages and it brings back memories... such a great tune that  |
Well hold on tight to those memories.....i havent got any 
I swear someone is trying to get me.....firstly i was born about 15 years to late to experience all that music first hand, i have just seen PVD is playing in Bristol August Bank Holliday...which of course i cant go to cos im not old enough  and i bet as soon as i turn 18 the club in Bristol that gets all these people to play will shut down or something! :lolsmile:
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| Wouldnt worry about it mate cuz he seems to have forgotten his roots and just plays all crap now so i doubt he'd even play it |
Well it aint the end of the world....i have many years ahead of me! Just got under 4months to wait till the big 18. The night will probably go something like this:    :z:
I think its time for people to let go of people like PVD, Armin, Tiesto, Ferry etc and let the new kids on the block have thier time. Plus i do kinda feel that the only reason the big names like PVD etc are so big is more to do with the fact they were the ones there when trance hit it big.
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ok man this mite be better then what you stated.
Hard Trance originated in Germany in the early to mid 90's and is one of the earliest forms on Trance. It was one of the most common forms of Trance throughout the decade, characterized by strong kicks, with a very dry and heavy sound. Now it is much more rare compared to other forms of Trance and House music, but still has a close fanbase world wide. The Hard Trance sound varies from classic trance with its emphasis on harder, often acid sounds. The beat is very strong, and the lead synths or pads are simpler, but still retain their melodic, "trance-like" nature. The "hoover" sound, so named, due to its "vacuum-like" drone, (eg: Human Resources - Dominator) is used infrequently as of late, giving way to harsher lead melodies through synths or pads. Recently, a difference in production styles between the two stables of hard trance has developed, splitting the genre into what is commonly known as European hard trance, which can contain darker elements, and shares common production techniques with hardstyle such as the familiar off beat bassline and snappy snarerolls, which sets its roots in trance's heyday, with wide, epic synths and rolling, often "bubbling" basslines. Tempo varies from 140 to 145 beats per minute. Jones & Stephenson's track, "The First Rebirth" was one of the first hard trance tracks ever made, even though its bpm speed is actually that of hardcore music.
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Dont be modest....thats a ton better than what i had 
This is obviously an area i know little about and you know a lot so do you want to write the Hard Trance section and I can credit you at the bottom??? I think what I said may be in reference to newer Hard Trance like form 2000 onwards???
Also....do you think I should write the genres more like what you just posted....kinda detailed in production and history.... i guess in a very neutral tone because some of the genres like Dream & Dutch im very bias against...or do you recon thats ok???
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adam someone im really loving at the moment is a British dj called Frase, check out some of his work if you can 
Frase and Will Holland make quality Trance that could easily come from years ago 
Click A - Close Quarters
Chemical Records - Frase
The break on this tune makes the hairs stand up
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adam someone im really loving at the moment is a British dj called Frase, check out some of his work if you can
Frase and Will Holland make quality Trance that could easily come from years ago
Click A - Close Quarters
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Nooooooooooo.........i have forgotten my Beatport User Name I got the chills just listening to the sample! I shall have to d/load it 2moz.....wow, no i will d/load it later 2day...didnt realise it has passed midnight! Thanks for the heads up on him well both of them! This is what i mean though.....people like them should be hvaing thier time in the trance spot light now but they cant get into it becasue tiesto in all his glory sits there taking all the limelight.
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MAJOR UPDATE......PROGRESSIVE TRANCE COMPLETE AND MODIFICATIONS TO OTHER SUB GENRES. STILL LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOU THINK!
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ok man this mite be better then what you stated.
Hard Trance originated in Germany in the early to mid 90's and is one of the earliest forms on Trance. It was one of the most common forms of Trance throughout the decade, characterized by strong kicks, with a very dry and heavy sound. Now it is much more rare compared to other forms of Trance and House music, but still has a close fanbase world wide. The Hard Trance sound varies from classic trance with its emphasis on harder, often acid sounds. The beat is very strong, and the lead synths or pads are simpler, but still retain their melodic, "trance-like" nature. The "hoover" sound, so named, due to its "vacuum-like" drone, (eg: Human Resources - Dominator) is used infrequently as of late, giving way to harsher lead melodies through synths or pads. Recently, a difference in production styles between the two stables of hard trance has developed, splitting the genre into what is commonly known as European hard trance, which can contain darker elements, and shares common production techniques with hardstyle such as the familiar off beat bassline and snappy snarerolls, which sets its roots in trance's heyday, with wide, epic synths and rolling, often "bubbling" basslines. Tempo varies from 140 to 145 beats per minute. Jones & Stephenson's track, "The First Rebirth" was one of the first hard trance tracks ever made, even though its bpm speed is actually that of hardcore music.
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Dont be modest....thats a ton better than what i had
This is obviously an area i know little about and you know a lot so do you want to write the Hard Trance section and I can credit you at the bottom??? I think what I said may be in reference to newer Hard Trance like form 2000 onwards???
Also....do you think I should write the genres more like what you just posted....kinda detailed in production and history.... i guess in a very neutral tone because some of the genres like Dream & Dutch im very bias against...or do you recon thats ok??? |
umm yeh use that if you want man… i could try come up with a more detailed description but wud probly take a lil bit of time… but it wud be good coz it cud keep me occupied apart from all the shit thats happening at work 
umm i duno about this whole Dream Trance and Dutch Trance but yeh… im not too sure. maybe research into that a bit more and see what else is around. llike check out a variety of tunes around that genre and then just write a bit of a report. ill probly do that for your hard trance section
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umm yeh use that if you want man… i could try come up with a more detailed description but wud probly take a lil bit of time… but it wud be good coz it cud keep me occupied apart from all the shit thats happening at work
umm i duno about this whole Dream Trance and Dutch Trance but yeh… im not too sure. maybe research into that a bit more and see what else is around. llike check out a variety of tunes around that genre and then just write a bit of a report. ill probly do that for your hard trance section |
Go ahead mate....knock yourself out on the Hard Trance section......it will be most helpful. Muchos Gracias
Im going to keep Dutch as it is for now but im scrapping Dream and rewriting it becasue i havent really done it justice.
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umm yeh use that if you want man… i could try come up with a more detailed description but wud probly take a lil bit of time… but it wud be good coz it cud keep me occupied apart from all the shit thats happening at work
umm i duno about this whole Dream Trance and Dutch Trance but yeh… im not too sure. maybe research into that a bit more and see what else is around. llike check out a variety of tunes around that genre and then just write a bit of a report. ill probly do that for your hard trance section |
Go ahead mate....knock yourself out on the Hard Trance section......it will be most helpful. Muchos Gracias
Im going to keep Dutch as it is for now but im scrapping Dream and rewriting it becasue i havent really done it justice. |
ive got something for ya. just guna go over it and have it up tomorrow when i'll have a little more time on my hands
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Thanks a ton.... 
There is no rush on it, i still have the rest of trance to do :z: :lolsmile:
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Trance is such a great sound you know Ive been mixing Hard Trance the past 4/5 days and i'm loving it with a little bit of Hard House. Havnt mixed any of my normal Trance at all and dont plan to till i get a full mix of this stuff done up first.
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| Trance is such a great sound you know Ive been mixing Hard Trance the past 4/5 days and i'm loving it with a little bit of Hard House. Havnt mixed any of my normal Trance at all and dont plan to till i get a full mix of this stuff done up first. |
yeh hard trance is wikid fun to mix… expecially when your crossed up between the 2 genres like me… i love mixing trance and also love mixing hardstyle… y not mash them together lol
adam t… here ya go
Hard Trance originated in Germany in the early to mid 90's and is one of the earliest forms on Trance. It was one of the most common forms of Trance throughout the decade, characterized by strong kicks, with a very dry and heavy sound. Now it is much more rare compared to other forms of Trance and House music, but still has a close fanbase world wide. The Hard Trance sound varies from classic trance with its emphasis on harder, often acid sounds. The beat is very strong, and the lead synths or pads are simpler, but still retain their melodic, "trance-like" nature. The "hoover" sound, so named, due to its "vacuum-like" drone, (eg: Human Resources - Dominator) is used much less now, giving way to harsher lead melodies through synths or pads. Recently, a difference in production styles between the two stables of hard trance has developed, splitting the genre into what is commonly known as European Hard Trance, which can contain darker elements, and shares common production techniques with Hardstyle such as the familiar off beat bassline and snappy snarerolls, which sets its roots in Trance's heyday, with wide, epic synths and rolling, often "bubbling" basslines. Tempo varies from 140 to 145 beats per minute. Jones & Stephenson's track, "The First Rebirth" was one of the first hard trance sounding tracks ever made, even though its BPM speed is of hardcore music.
Today's Hard Trance developed slightly through the combination of Hard House and Trance. By the year 2000, Hard House had become a popular sound in the UK. At the time, most tracks featured old school samples influenced by Rave and Hardcore productions. During late 2000 / 2001, some Hard House DJ's and labels started to push into a more Trance influenced sound. At the same time, trance producers (sensing that Trance was becoming more commercial) started to push a harder, more minimal sound. These came together and by 2003, Hard Trance was one of the most exciting sounds in the scene.
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adam t… here ya go
Hard Trance originated in Germany in the early to mid 90's and is one of the earliest forms on Trance. It was one of the most common forms of Trance throughout the decade, characterized by strong kicks, with a very dry and heavy sound. Now it is much more rare compared to other forms of Trance and House music, but still has a close fanbase world wide. The Hard Trance sound varies from classic trance with its emphasis on harder, often acid sounds. The beat is very strong, and the lead synths or pads are simpler, but still retain their melodic, "trance-like" nature. The "hoover" sound, so named, due to its "vacuum-like" drone, (eg: Human Resources - Dominator) is used much less now, giving way to harsher lead melodies through synths or pads. Recently, a difference in production styles between the two stables of hard trance has developed, splitting the genre into what is commonly known as European Hard Trance, which can contain darker elements, and shares common production techniques with Hardstyle such as the familiar off beat bassline and snappy snarerolls, which sets its roots in Trance's heyday, with wide, epic synths and rolling, often "bubbling" basslines. Tempo varies from 140 to 145 beats per minute. Jones & Stephenson's track, "The First Rebirth" was one of the first hard trance sounding tracks ever made, even though its BPM speed is of hardcore music.
Today's Hard Trance developed slightly through the combination of Hard House and Trance. By the year 2000, Hard House had become a popular sound in the UK. At the time, most tracks featured old school samples influenced by Rave and Hardcore productions. During late 2000 / 2001, some Hard House DJ's and labels started to push into a more Trance influenced sound. At the same time, trance producers (sensing that Trance was becoming more commercial) started to push a harder, more minimal sound. These came together and by 2003, Hard Trance was one of the most exciting sounds in the scene. |
THANK YOU!!!!!!!
Thats a great help....i will make sure to put you name in big writing to credit your work!!!!
I will let you know when i put it up on the site and you can sit there with the page up and just stare at you great work in all its glory! :lolsmile:
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adam t… here ya go
Hard Trance originated in Germany in the early to mid 90's and is one of the earliest forms on Trance. It was one of the most common forms of Trance throughout the decade, characterized by strong kicks, with a very dry and heavy sound. Now it is much more rare compared to other forms of Trance and House music, but still has a close fanbase world wide. The Hard Trance sound varies from classic trance with its emphasis on harder, often acid sounds. The beat is very strong, and the lead synths or pads are simpler, but still retain their melodic, "trance-like" nature. The "hoover" sound, so named, due to its "vacuum-like" drone, (eg: Human Resources - Dominator) is used much less now, giving way to harsher lead melodies through synths or pads. Recently, a difference in production styles between the two stables of hard trance has developed, splitting the genre into what is commonly known as European Hard Trance, which can contain darker elements, and shares common production techniques with Hardstyle such as the familiar off beat bassline and snappy snarerolls, which sets its roots in Trance's heyday, with wide, epic synths and rolling, often "bubbling" basslines. Tempo varies from 140 to 145 beats per minute. Jones & Stephenson's track, "The First Rebirth" was one of the first hard trance sounding tracks ever made, even though its BPM speed is of hardcore music.
Today's Hard Trance developed slightly through the combination of Hard House and Trance. By the year 2000, Hard House had become a popular sound in the UK. At the time, most tracks featured old school samples influenced by Rave and Hardcore productions. During late 2000 / 2001, some Hard House DJ's and labels started to push into a more Trance influenced sound. At the same time, trance producers (sensing that Trance was becoming more commercial) started to push a harder, more minimal sound. These came together and by 2003, Hard Trance was one of the most exciting sounds in the scene. |
THANK YOU!!!!!!!
Thats a great help....i will make sure to put you name in big writing to credit your work!!!!
I will let you know when i put it up on the site and you can sit there with the page up and just stare at you great work in all its glory! :lolsmile: |
haha nah thats cool man… im just helping / teaching someone
oh and btw ive come up with this idea and i mite be comtacting you about your trance knowledge
hopefuly if it works out
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