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datasphere
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 Posted: Mon, 16 Aug, 2004 18:47 Post subject: How do you set up a sidechain compressor? |
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I know the basic principle of how this is supposed to work...but could someone walk me through the ACTUAL steps of what to do and how?
I have Ableton Live and it has the new SideChain Compressor II
and I have lots of Waves plug ins.
I produce dance music and would like to get the kick drum and heavy bass to duck or sidechain each other.
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Curt King
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tgl
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| Posted: Tue, 31 Aug, 2004 5:18 Post subject: |
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Got no idea what you're talking about, but I always put compression and eq on my kick drum and bass first, then link them together with a compressor and eq, and then make them go to the master channel together.
Kick drum -|
- Kick and bass -> Master
Bass -|
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Rendall
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| Posted: Tue, 31 Aug, 2004 15:13 Post subject: |
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I have no experience with Ableton Live. However, if the track mixer includes bus channels you can insert a compressor on the bus and route both the kick and bass to that. This is effectively a sidechain. Try it out and see if it gives you the effect you want. From what your saying you seem to want the classic 'Daft Punk' effect. Am I right?
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tgl
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| Posted: Tue, 31 Aug, 2004 15:42 Post subject: |
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Ok, I have no idea what it is...
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Rendall
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| Posted: Wed, 01 Sep, 2004 12:26 Post subject: |
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A 'sidechain' is a way of routing an effect. Instead of the effect being directly routed onto a channel, the channel will have a separate output to another channel. Usually a bus channel. This is good for reverb for example. Reverb (and similar effects) uses a lot of processing power. If you were to be using the same reverb unit for two or more channels, by inserting a reverb onto a bus channel and routing all channels you wish to effect to that, you save using multiple effects. Get it?
This isn't exactly what datasphere wants to do I don't think. I think you want a compressor to push the bass and 'kick back and forwards' like a classic 'daft punk' or french house sound which you need to experiment with your software or refer to the users manual.
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| Posted: Wed, 01 Sep, 2004 13:57 Post subject: |
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ohyeah... I do the sidechain thing all the time! 
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boboflop
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| Posted: Sun, 06 Aug, 2006 18:43 Post subject: sidechain |
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"Call on me" is a tune done by eric prydz, he uses a bass drum to offset what ever instrument he wants through his sidechain meaning he creates a wah wah on his vocal, or steve winwoods valerie (the remix)!!
A DJ also uses a sidechain!,,,when he speaks his voice triggers the sidechain to lower the volume of the song so he can be heard!
errmmm I'm more a doer not a technical speaker!
Hope i helped!!,,hahaha
cant explain it sorry,,makes your tunes pump anyway,,,,if you have a full lead instrument! |
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Timewaster
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| Posted: Sat, 24 Feb, 2007 17:19 Post subject: |
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reason has a good sidechain option here are the instructions i'm sure the principle could be adapted to the comp u use. here's what they say.
About Sidechain inputs
When a signal is connected to the Sidechain inputs, it is this signal that will trigger the compression.
This signal is not passed to the compressor output, and will thus not be heard (unless Sidechain Solo is activated).
The signal connected to the normal L/R inputs is the signal that will be processed by the compressor (as usual).
Here follows two examples of how you can use sidechain processing:
Example 1 - using the Sidechain inputs to create ducking effects
"Ducking" is when the level of one signal is reduced by the presence of another signal. A typical application is to automatically lower the level of a musical bed when a voice-over starts, and to automatically bring the level up when the voice-over stops. To set this up, we can name the musical bed in the example "Device A", and the voice-over "Device B". Proceed as follows:
1. Connect Device A and Device B to separate channels on a mixer device.
In this example the signal produced by Device A should be continuous, and the signal produced by Device B should be intermittent, i.e. it should contain both silent passages and signal passages.
2. Select Device A and then select an MClass compressor from the Create menu.
The effect will be auto-routed as an insert effect to Device A.
3. Connect a Send on the mixer device to the Sidechain inputs on the MClass compressor.
As soon as anything is connected to the Sidechain inputs, the "Active" indicator lights up on the device panel. The compressor will no longer react to the signal produced by Device A.
4. Turn up the corresponding AUX Send level for Device B on the mixer.
This means that the Device B signal now feeds both the mixer's input, and the sidechain input on the compressor, which in turn triggers the gain reduction.
5. If you now start playback of both devices, the level of Device A will be lowered whenever Device B sounds, and be raised again when Device B stops.
The amount of gain reduction, how quickly it lowers the level, and the time it take for the level to return to normal again is determined by the corresponding Gain/Threshold/Ratio and Attack/Release parameters.
Example 2 - using the Sidechain inputs to create frequency sensitive compression
By inserting an equalized signal to the sidechain inputs you can make the compression more or less sensitive to a certain frequency range. A typical application of this is "de-essing" - where harsh "S"-sounds in vocal material is reduced or eliminated.
Frequency sensitive compression is set up as follows:
1. Hold down [Shift] and create an instrument device.
Pressing [Shift] means no auto-routing connections to/from the device are made.
2. Hold down [Shift] and create a MClass Equalizer.
3. Hold down [Shift] and create a MClass Compressor.
4. Create a Spider Audio Merger and Splitter device.
5. Connect the outputs of the instrument device to the A and B inputs on the Spider.
6. Route one pair of the split outputs of the Spider to the MClass Equalizer inputs.
7. Route the Equalizer outputs to the Sidechain inputs on the MClass Compressor.
8. Route another pair of the split outputs of the Spider to the MClass Compressor.
Now, the compressors normal audio inputs are fed the unprocessed signal, and the sidechain inputs are fed the equalized signal.
9. Next, activate the Solo Sidechain button on the compressor's front panel.
You will now only hear the equalized signal.
10. Now use the parameters on the MClass Equalizer to boost the frequencies you wish should trigger the gain reduction and cut the frequencies you wish to avoid triggering the gain reduction.
You can use rather extreme eq settings - the signal will not be heard when Solo Sidechain is deactivated anyway. E.g. for de-essing you should separate and boost the offending "S" frequencies as much as possible.
11. Deactivate Solo Sidechain when you have finished tweaking the equalizer.
Now, the compressor will be more sensitive to the frequency area you tuned in with the equalizer, and thus react more to these frequencies. Note, however, that the whole signal will still be compressed - not just the boosted frequencies - so in case of de-essing you should usually use fast Attack and Release settings so that the gain reduction does not affect the rest of the program too much. |
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| Posted: Wed, 07 Mar, 2007 2:04 Post subject: |
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abletons compressor II doesnt have sidechain compression - that sidechain button is for eq'ing or filtering the next effect in the chain.
bussing your kick and your bass together isnt sidechain compression either... sorry
if you want to do proper dance music sidechain compression in ableton go here ----> http://secondsight.110mb.com/Sidechain%20tutorial.html
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| Posted: Sat, 14 Jul, 2007 8:09 Post subject: |
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check out my site for a video tutorial on how to set up C1 (waves ) compressor with sidechaining in cubase.
www soundmagus co uk |
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| Posted: Mon, 22 Oct, 2007 16:53 Post subject: |
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| soundmagus wrote: |
check out my site for a video tutorial on how to set up C1 (waves ) compressor with sidechaining in cubase.
www soundmagus co uk |
downloading..
i watched virus ti turtorial, but he was using BG Tech sidechain, that sounded fantastic. i am using adware sidechains compresor nad gate, and actualy have no idea how to use ip, tcan never get that between kick bouncing efect you are talking about, guy that opened post.
i would like to learn sidechain too, that BG tech sounded fantastic. if anyone got bg tech sidechain let me know on mariosteam@net.hr, we could maybe trade for some other useful vst i got. anyhow sidechain if cool today  |
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| Posted: Mon, 22 Oct, 2007 17:05 Post subject: |
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| soundmagus wrote: |
check out my site for a video tutorial on how to set up C1 (waves ) compressor with sidechaining in cubase.
www soundmagus co uk |
cubase sound is very low, you should put record on mix, so we can hear your computer. so we need to connect 2 lines by sidechain? that makes sense. i was using on lets say bas line without any point, there was no efect.. 
ill try this out. ..tomorow.
btw what happened with c4? c1 c4?
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Hush Cat
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| Posted: Mon, 02 Jun, 2008 16:30 Post subject: |
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You know what makes this 10 times easier, especially for cubase users (Cubase is bad at handling sidechains), try getting hold of TC Bundle 3.1 This contains a Compressor De Esser and a seperate Sidechain plug. Simply place the sidechain in the channel you wanna trigger the compression, and place an instance of the Compresser De Esser on the chanel you wanna compress, Click on the Key button, and then they link up together.
You do have to switch it on each time you load up the project though.
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Using Ableton Lives Compressor:
This is the easyiest quickest and most effienct way to do it in ableton.
video tutorial ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tv7gAi2OKY
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