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Rendall
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 Posted: Fri, 11 Jun, 2004 16:37 Post subject: Digital VS Analogue |
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Ahh the big D vs A. The question on everyone lips is will vinyl ever die?? Of couse not. Surely with the advancing of CD decks and MP3 players. vinyl would already be banished from all DJ booths? I think it's brilliant how versitile new DJ equipment is but its how you use it right?
As far as sound quality goes, some people would argue that CD's are TOO clean. Digital sound is great, but nothing sounds as warm and gritty as a vinyl. Well of course its a very subtle difference. Most people I dont think can notice, even if they say they do. Maybe I cant! But I know what I prefer. Its just like the Digital/Analogue recording domain. Artists will be very specific how their music is recorded. What I think is that no matter how much musical technology changes, some things people will just stick to what they prefer. Thats what makes peoples creativity individual and original. There are no rules, thats what makes music such a brilliant thing to be involved with. I'd like to know how eveyone else feels about this debate!!!
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| Posted: Fri, 11 Jun, 2004 21:11 Post subject: |
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No vinyl - what!! you serious...
Thats like a chef trying to cook without adding salt! it just doesn't taste the same!!it's like leaving vinyl out of the DJs hands. Vinyl is my best friend and will always be. - vinyl will always be with us.
Vinyl & the 1210's is my choice forever  . I like my vinyl too much.. 
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Rendall
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I couldn't agree more. I too would never switch to digital decks. However, I am going to purchase one. Two 1210's and a Pioneer CDJ1000 or Technics SLDZ1200. You seen those things yet? The technics CD deck. Need to test that out you know. Sexy like Keira Knightly, modified like jordan but still the same old like.... Pat Bucther? Whatever, that thing needs a severe testing..... The CD Deck that is ;) (not Pat Butcher)
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icefire
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Both are as good as each other, naturally I would have thought it best to include both (I even record some samples to tape, play the tape about 20 times to make the sound warm, then, I resample it for an analogue sound).
Though, here is something interesting. If you have a clean, and ideally knew needle for your turntable, and you play a brand new vinyl, the vinyl is dynamically better than a CD by about 8 or 9 dB (dynamic response of a CD is 96dB and if a vinyl and turntables meet above spec, then their dynamic response is at about 104dB (being analogue, it is never the same)).
If I was going to make a choice taking into account the fact that I am not a DJ, I am a 'producer', I would use both analogue and digital.
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| Posted: Wed, 14 Jul, 2004 8:41 Post subject: |
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(I even record some samples to tape, play the tape about 20 times to make the sound warm, then, I resample it for an analogue sound).
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collectivly this method is good for creating sounds - I used to use this method myself, take from vinyl record to tape then resample again.
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Glad to see such a good response to this topic. Of course there are hardware tube's for that warm analogue sound. Playing tapes over and over gets a little tedious. I think you'll find that most modern day producers use a vast mixture of both analogue and digital.
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| Posted: Wed, 14 Jul, 2004 19:49 Post subject: Records?????? |
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Well, I have seen the record, the reel-to-reel, the 8 track, the cassette, the CD and now the digital age has finally taken hold. I still have some of my old record albums around, but nothing to play them on. Personally, I prefer CD myself because they are som much easier to lug around. You can always make a copy if need be too when the CD gets scratched; try doing that with a record! LOL But I have to say that, when I was just a kid, I begged my parents for a record player so I could play my moms 45's. I had the sound track to Saturday Night Fever, as well as 45's of Andy Gibb, The Rolling Stones, Fleetwood Mac and many more. My mom still has a record player...... SHe also has a 10 disk CD changer!
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| Posted: Sat, 10 Jun, 2006 19:36 Post subject: |
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Both are great. I love vinyl but they wear out over time and its hard to find the same tracks that get worn down. Digital is the future, as long as the computer isnt actually mixing it for you then it is still skill in my book
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Personally I think (and it is with great sadness) that viynl is well on its way out. Its not because of the richness or tone because viynl is far superior to digital counterparts. Its just a basic economic thing. Labels aren't making ANY money off of viynl. Its pretty much just a marketing tool. With that said the majority of A class dj's that I have seen playing out don't carry any viynl at all. Its heavy, during flights it gets stolen easier, and its more difficult to get unlreleased tracks to top artists quicker for feedback sheets.
It's to bad that there are a lot of DJ's out there that love to play viynl to bad its not enough for a label to break even or even make profit. |
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| umm jamu which dj's are you refering to since in ibiza this summer i saw countless top rank dj's and there was only one that used cd's and that was sasha |
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I have seen countless threads like this but have only been anle to contribute since I got myself a pair of technics SLDZ cd decks recently.
I dont think I will ever buy another record again, but dont dismiss that, I have been djing for over 10 years & many favs I still have only on vinyl.
I prefer vinyl for scratching, the bigger surface gives greater flexibility.
as a house dj mixing remains the same, no difference/ease/difficutly depending what i use, I just don't like mixing between the two formats, from the clean to the warm or vice versa just doesn't sound right over a set.
but maybe thats just me beacuae I'm listening for the difference |
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A lot can be said over this controversy. I was a CD hater too and was quoted saying "They're cheating, they're taking the skill out of it". This is really not the case. It is ease of use and vinyl is a pain in the ass to lug around. I travel quite a bit and its nice to take one case of vinyl and two small cases of CD's than taking 6 cases of vinyl. Also, after noticing that all the clubs were using CDJ's, I realized that I too would have to change with the times. Being a house DJ, the CD's make it really easy to Mash-UP and remix songs on the fly. After all, that is what the crowds will talk about for weeks to come. Any "flash in the pan DJ" can blend (well maybe that's saying too much, I've heard a lot of trainwrecks in my day), but its the remixers who get all the glory.
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